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So, like many of us have been preaching, our government has participated in an international arms deal, that was wrong on so many levels, but did so with the intent to add more restrictions on law abiding citizens.
Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
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COH please
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#1 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:18 AM EST
but did so with the intent to add more restrictions on law abiding citizens.
exactly... been saying that since the day fast and furious story broke...
I remember the political drum beats starting on "the gun show loop hole"
and as soon as Fast and furious story broke.. those drum beats fell immediately silent...
seems like they shot themselves in the foot so to speak as no sane individual will ever again believe "gun shows" have anything to do with the guns in mexico..
what? guns in mexico? see: team Obama
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I bet this is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this tremendous screw up. We shall see in the coming months/years etc
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Aye, I've been with Captain O on this since day one. This was all a ploy to chip away at the Second Amendment.
This is how low Team Obama will go to advance their agendas. From the most transparent Administration in history (sic).
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Fast and Furious is to Obama, what the Patriot Act is to Bush. IMO, a reason to vote against him in the next election.
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#2 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:21 AM ESTGood. Also Obama while campaigning he didn't like and was against the Patriot Act when in office EXTENDED IT. The Patriot Act should be called the Repeal of The Forth Amendment Act.
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An example of a agency that is prompting its own agenda with out the consent of congress or the pres by back door tactics. If you don't believe this when my father was alive two guys walked into his gun shop and wanted him to modify weapons to full auto. At the time I was on a day off as a police investigator and walked out of the back room. Low and behold I knew these two fellas they were ATF agents. All of a sudden they got real apologetic and said they were just checkup. Yea right nothing like a good case of trying to entrap a citizen to fill a quota/
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#3 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 12:23 AM ESTI disagree on one point. I have full faith that, in the very least, AG Eric Holder was completely aware of all aspects of this operation and that the pres, at least, was briefed and made aware of the scope of this operation as well
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Ed - The real agenda here is not the ATF, it's the U.N. with Hilliary's support to institute a world wide gun ban. The U.N. has taken upon itself to undermine soverign laws, and to regelate all aspects of the worlds population one step at a time. The U.N. is a creeping intrusion, and is a tool to institute a one world government.
Personally Azerith, I think Holder is a bare faced liar, along with the hack in the White House.
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Gentlemen let me explain this incident did not happen yesterday this happened thirty five years ago and I am now in my sixties. And if I remember a Republican was sitting in the white house. What I am getting at that this agency and other's have their on internal agenda's that have been going on for years.
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Ed
I perfectly agree with you in that aspect. All government agencies, in my opinion, always have their own agenda when it comes to hot button issues such as this one.
Yes this operation has happened previously but not to this magnitude of screw up. Personally I can care less whether the admin is Dem, Rep, or a monkey farting on a snare drum but this operation should never have gotten this far
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good ole government secrecy used for villainy.
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#4 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 1:20 AM ESTI recommend looking into MKULTRA for more reason to hate government secrecy.
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I have but I'll look again. Maybe I missed something the first time.
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This is something that needs to be addressed at many levels in US and world society: Intentionally making or participating in creating a problem then pointing to that problem as a reason as to why something "must be done".
If we cannot trust the US government with our basic US Constitutional rights in the face of world history demonstrating that the disarming of the civil population is virtually always a prelude to the establishment of a dictatorship...then we the US citizens have a major problem as all other rights rest upon a free population able to live and vote without cooercion from anyone or anything including their own government.
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#6 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 3:10 AM ESTI saw Holder's Opening (Mis)Statement at today's hearing. He was singing the old we wouldn't have let the guns walk if we had more gun regulation on hand guns and long guns like AK-47's tune yet again.
It's always been about more gun laws and more restrictions.
Holder has never cared to enforce the laws we already have.
These guns in "Operation Fast and Furious" were sold to illegal straw purchasers. If you want to stop gun smuggling, arrest the straw purchasers. That's why "straw purchases" are already illegal. The BATFE and the Justice Department refused to use the laws and tools they had. They refused to enforce the existing laws.
We don't need more laws, we need better cops. We need an Attorney General and a BATFE who will enforce the existing laws fairly. If we had that, we wouldn't have let these weapons get in the hands of criminals and smugglers. We already have all the laws we needed to stop that.
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#8 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM ESTCommon sense, I do not trust the government. Ever since Obama took over the country. He has, look at his actions. Before he was elected, I was not a political person, and it scares the @!$%# of me to listen to Obama. The government of Hitler took away the guns of Germany.
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